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Bestselling author Michael Covel is the host of Trend Following Radio with 10+ million listens. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trading -- all passionately explored and debated. Guests include Nobel Prize winners: Robert Aumann, Angus Deaton, Daniel Kahneman, Oliver Hart, Harry Markowitz & Vernon Smith. More guests: Jack Canfield, Howard Marks, James Altucher, Dan Ariely, Jean-Philippe Bouchaud, Kathleen Eisenhardt, Marc Faber, Tim Ferriss, Jason Fried, Gerd Gigerenzer, Larry Hite, Sally Hogshead, Ryan Holiday, Jack Horner, Ewan Kirk, Steven Kotler, Michael Mauboussin, Tucker Max, Barry Ritholtz, Jim Rogers, Jack Schwager, Ed Seykota, Philip Tetlock & Walter Williams.


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--Vernon Smith, Nobel Prize in Economics

“You’ve surrounded yourself with one of the most advanced group of mentors possible…The people on your podcasts, and people in your life, all are people with strong opinions, all people that make you think and make you grow. You just have some kind of an affinity for people like that, and that’s part of what makes you good at what you do.”

--Ed Seykota

“Michael Covel’s podcast has had over [9.5] million listeners and he’s completed [900+] episodes. He’s probably the most established podcaster on this list—and it shows. Mr. Covel’s podcast is great for those looking for alternative views on the market, those who are tired of hearing the same old stories told on CBNC and other traditional outlets. This is highly recommended if you are looking to expand your mind in investing. Mr. Covel has had some incredible guests, to include multiple Nobel Prize winners and world-famous investors. One of my favorite episodes was when Mr. Covel interviewed Annie Duke, a former professional poker player who has some incredible insights on decision making. Mr. Covel always has me thinking and Annie Duke only amplified my brain-wave activity.”

--Wall Street Journal

Feb 26, 2014

Michael Covel interviews Al Abaroa today. Abaroa is Chief Investment Strategist at Kingsview and has been a registered broker and trader since 1993. He has seen all aspects of the investing industry. Today, Covel and Abaroa talk about a white paper that Abaroa wrote about trend following. Abaroa and Covel discuss how people forget that anything can and will happen; why we’re seeing optimistic behavior in the market; the similarities between the WhatsApp/Facebook acquisition and the AOL/Time Warner acquisition; Abaroa’s wealth formula; “reasonable returns”; long term vs. short term outlooks; the advantages of youth in trading; lifespan growth, and retirement; Tom Basso and black swan events; looking back on major crashes; development and distribution as the two modalities of price; focusing on price action; the Global Volatility Index; looking at black swan periods as a place to profit; the asymmetrical return stream and the asymmetrical nature of trend following; why trend following produces returns a minority of the time; position sizing; fixed contract allocation vs. fixed fractional contract allocation and their role in position sizing; trend following investors and market timing; seeking immediate gratification in trend following investments; and looking at trend following track records. Abaroa can be reached at and the white paper discussed can be found at Want a free trend following DVD go to