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Bestselling author Michael Covel is the host of Trend Following Radio with 15+ million listens. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trading -- all passionately explored and debated. Guests include Nobel Prize winners: Robert Aumann, Angus Deaton, Daniel Kahneman, Oliver Hart, Harry Markowitz & Vernon Smith. More guests: Jack Canfield, Howard Marks, James Altucher, Dan Ariely, Jean-Philippe Bouchaud, Kathleen Eisenhardt, Marc Faber, Tim Ferriss, Jason Fried, Gerd Gigerenzer, Larry Hite, Sally Hogshead, Ryan Holiday, Jack Horner, Ewan Kirk, Steven Kotler, Michael Mauboussin, Tucker Max, Barry Ritholtz, Jim Rogers, Jack Schwager, Ed Seykota, Philip Tetlock & Walter Williams. 1200+ episodes.

Apr 10, 2013

My guest today is Jerry Parker. In 1983, Parker was accepted into the Turtle Program, a select investment training program developed by successful Chicago portfolio manager Richard Dennis. He appears in Covel's "The Complete TurtleTrader" and has been the most successful TurtleTrader. Parker founded Chesapeake Capital Corporation, a global investment manager headquartered in Richmond, Virginia, in 1988.

The topic is Trend Following. 

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Mistake of combining different strategies with trend following, and the importance of having a concentrated strategy that you can rely on
  • How discretionary moves can get in the way of your system, and "systematized discretion"
  • The psychological effect of following a trend following strategy for decades
  • The idea of going for positive expected value over what's least risky
  • Why Parker doesn't like to use the term "managed futures", and why it doesn't really tell the story of trend followers
  • Trend followers performing well at different points in time compared to long-only
  • Using trend following as another strategy for investors who only invest through a long-only value-based system
  • The importance of not letting your views on politics and society influence your trading, and maintaining a systematic and disciplined approach
  • The growth of news media since 1984, information overflow, limiting your variables, and using price as your primary indicator
  • How Parker has learned over the years to deal with drawdowns, loving your losses, and the importance the Turtle program played in his education on drawdowns
  • Why governments are the ultimate counter-trend traders
  • Why buy and hold is not a good place to be even if people are saying it's turned around
  • Parker's stock-only trend following program, and why the diversified program will do better than the stock-only system
  • Leverage as a tool

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