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Bestselling author Michael Covel is the host of Trend Following Radio with 10+ million listens. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trading -- all passionately explored and debated. Guests include Nobel Prize winners: Robert Aumann, Angus Deaton, Daniel Kahneman, Oliver Hart, Harry Markowitz & Vernon Smith. More guests: Jack Canfield, Howard Marks, James Altucher, Dan Ariely, Jean-Philippe Bouchaud, Kathleen Eisenhardt, Marc Faber, Tim Ferriss, Jason Fried, Gerd Gigerenzer, Larry Hite, Sally Hogshead, Ryan Holiday, Jack Horner, Ewan Kirk, Steven Kotler, Michael Mauboussin, Tucker Max, Barry Ritholtz, Jim Rogers, Jack Schwager, Ed Seykota, Philip Tetlock & Walter Williams.

Jul 14, 2014

My guest today is Mike Harris, the President of Campbell & Company (3B+ AUM), the systematic trading firm started by Keith Campbell (Campbell was featured in Covel’s first book Trend Following).

The topic is Trend Following.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Systematic trading in the early 70’s
  • Education about managed futures
  • Correlation with other markets and managers
  • Trading diverse markets
  • Focusing on data rather than the fundamentals
  • Why “commodities” and “CTA” are misnomers
  • Why Harris wouldn’t fly down to Brazil to investigate fundamental information on the coffee market
  • Risk management, drawdowns, and taking small losses; dealing with uncertainty and helping clients to understand the uncertain nature of trading
  • How human emotion often gets in the way of profitable trading
  • The efficient market hypothesis and behavioral finance
  • Continuity and how that has been thought through at Campbell & Company
  • The Sharpe ratio and why it isn’t the best way to look at systematic traders
  • Why being defensive is central to being a great absolute return trader

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